Rugby Tankard with player 15 handle was not made by Titian

Ev,

An interesting question. Don Clark was brought in for the 3rd test in 56 at fullback to take over the kicking duties. Now I have the Waikato / Springbocks boot one of which is in the gallery and I'm sure it has number 9 on the sole (I'll have to retrieve it for a look).
This has now swayed me more towards Titian than ever.

Here is a link to the rugby boot that you said had a 9 on the base ....
http://newzealandpottery.forumotion.net/t1424-the-very-rare-titian-rugby-boot-from-the-collection-of-doll-finz?highlight=rugby Did Don Clarke take a size 9 boot?
I asked my sports mad other half if the number 15 rugby jersey meant anything and he said it was worn by the full-back ...... and it would have been Don Clarke in the 1960's.

It annoys the *bleep* out of me when pottery makers didn't mark their work !!!!!

Don Clarke was six feet two and 17 stone so would think he was a tad larger than a size 9. His All Black test career spanned from 56 - 64.




quote="Ev"]Here is a link to the rugby boot that you said had a 9 on the base ....
http://newzealandpottery.forumotion.net/t1424-the-very-rare-titian-rugby-boot-from-the-collection-of-doll-finz?highlight=rugby Did Don Clarke take a size 9 boot?
I asked my sports mad other half if the number 15 rugby jersey meant anything and he said it was worn by the full-back ...... and it would have been Don Clarke in the 1960's.

It annoys the *bleep* out of me when pottery makers didn't mark their work !!!!! [/quote]

I contacted carlnsue through the Collectors Forum on Trademe and asked him who made this tankard ...........

He replied ----- "I have always believed it was made by Titian."

Three definites .... Carlnsue-Manos-peters - you can't argue with that combined New Zealand Pottery knowledge!!!!

By boot says Waikato 14 Spring Boks 10 June 9th 1956 and clearly marked Titian Studio 9 on the base.

[quote="Ev"]The auction above shows the footballer is wearing the number 15 .....
is that significant for any particular player from the 1950's 1960's ?

[quote="carisbrook"] I dont think so - there are 15 players in the team so that may have been the raeson......and in the 1950s number 15 would have been worn by a front row forward.

I dont suppose you have found out anything else? Thanks anyway - Alan

Hi Alan, three very informed NZ pottery people have confirmed that the mug was made by Titian Potteries. I see the one that was listed on TradeMe sold for a paltry $23 !!

Three brilliant minds is good enough for me. Great website - Thanks ev and everyone for your help. Regards Alan

I had an opportunity to ask Cam and Bev Brown today if they made this tankard.
They had never seen it before and said no it is not Titian.
Sorry if we put you crook Alan .....

I had an opportunity to buy one of these at the Queenstown Sallies, but it had a hairline or crack perhaps and I didn't fancy my chances of getting it home safely in a small suitcase on the plane.

I'm pleased to hear I didn't miss out on a Titian/Orzel piece but still keen to know the maker.

I couldn't see any identifying marks, no stickers nothing. I see the height is given as 6 inches. I didn't have the opportunity to measure of photograph but it sure did seem big.

I don't know how many of these have been spotted, so I was just wondering if its presence in Queenstown might add something to identifying it.

If the face is a recognisable rugby player it might help in dating it. I don't know rugby so I can't help.

Just an idea. Could it be the Crown Lynn 1326 "Rugby Bear Mug" ? I just had the idea because of the 1340 mug which has a "different" look handle and is also the same kind of white.

Good arithmetic haselnuss. 2+2=4!

Date of production for 1326 is 7.5.80.

The player APPEARS to have a short sleeved jersey, which if accurate, could make it about the right time. I played rugby and league mid-70s and both codes still had long sleeves then.

I don't follow sports but I read above that the player is number fifteen, which make the game rugby (rather than league) and the player position the fullback.
Does the face match any famous fullbacks from late 1970s?

It really doesn't look like CL to me, with all that gilt and the modelled figure on the handle, but if it is then castware is the place for it.

I really don't want it to be tho cos I had my chance to buy one, albeit damaged, and passed on it.

Eds. Well I thought 15 was fullback. I remember being number 3 in league which is wing and I think rugby numbers the other way.

That is a great suggestion haselnuss and now we just have to wait for confirmation from ...... someone.

The number on the shirt is a black 15.
It also has a big white glazed embossed "silver fern" on the back of the tankard.

I really don't know who made it and always thought that it was made by Titian which we have been told that it is not.
I have noticed that most of these tankards have been used a lot with rubbing to the gold from use or some other damage.

It is rather tall for a mug. Were Crown Lynn mugs of a similar size?

Then again, Crown Lynn used the gold on the Loving Cup, a few hand potted vases and some of the old tea sets. Also later on a few vases that I have got including a big four digit urn which is gold all over.

I think Heather has a lady lamp base that was painted gold too.

My thought on these later on gold colored painted pieces is that they might have used the gold paint on seconds to hide faults because the vases don't seem to have been perfect in the first place and the color is not permanently fired in because it washes of eventually.
Or there were people who decorated them themselves later on like it has happened with some of the black swans.
A vase with gold detail on Trade ME. http://www.trademe.co.nz/pottery-glass/porcelain-pottery/crown-lynn/vases/auction-772967382.htm

Jeremy called in today and showed me his Rugby tankard. It is rather large and is extremely light for it's size. It doesn't 'feel' like Crown Lynn or Titian and I am at a loss to come up with a maker. Mike looked at the figure on the handle and said with that hairstyle it has to be from the 1950's or 60's.