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Cook & Serve Coffee Cans: More ADDITIONS CL Reflections and Rorstrand Venezia

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sat 11 Sep - 20:27

I started collecting the cans after seeing a friend's op-shop collection in the 1990s. I wasn't the only one at architecture school to do so. At the time I did not even know they came with saucers. I am not actively collecting at the moment as the TradeMe market has pushed prices up.
The 1960s coffee can range is based on similar cans made by Rorstrand in Sweden in the 1950s with hand-painted designs by Marianne Westman (please excuse me if I have misspelled this), presumably as an "import substitution". The Rorstrand pottery is not safe in hot water but the CL, being vitreous china, is dishwasher-safe.
Crown Lynn's "Blue Tango" name may be a reference to Westman's own "Tango" design although the CL pattern is different. Crown Lynn has actually used Westman's Tango design on bakeware and can be seen on the mustard pot illustrated in the numbers gallery (but not to my knowledge on the cans).
The NZ cans were originally produced as hand-painted designs, later reproduced as underglaze transfers. Original hand-painted patterns were: Mogambo, Image, Mexico, and Blue Tango. (Did I miss some?) They later added Fleurette to the range. Many other designs were included in the underglaze transfer range. Plain coloured cans were also produced. Saucers were usually plain colours: black, blue, yellow, red. I also have brown and pale green, Fleurette, and one patterned saucer.
Base stamps on the original designs gave pattern names and numbers in green. Later stamps were generally in black with saucers marked Cook & Serve in at least 2 different styles. Some have no stamps.
I have no images at the moment but with time will add some to the gallery. At last count I had 19 different colours and patterns. Some I have not bothered with as the transfer copies can look nasty.
An illustration of hand-painted and underglaze-transfer "Mogambo" coffee cans, remembered by many as the Gregg's coffee cup, can be seen on page 77 of Valerie Ringer Monk's Crown Lynn book.


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Re: Cook & Serve Coffee Cans: More ADDITIONS CL Reflections and Rorstrand Venezia

Post  Ev on Sun 12 Sep - 8:17

Excellent information, thanks Jeremy.
I saw the Mexico cans listed of TradeMe yesterday!
I would be interested to know all of the pattern names that you have -
so that I could add them to the Crown Lynn Database.

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Re: Cook & Serve Coffee Cans: More ADDITIONS CL Reflections and Rorstrand Venezia

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 12 Sep - 13:20

Ev, I will attempt to post pictures and names, where available. Will need to dig out cs & ss first, then photo etc so I would advise not holding your breath. Thanks on trademe, will look - Jeremy

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28E: Is this a shape number?

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Tue 14 Sep - 10:02

I was just washing a coffee can and I noticed for the first time a number stamped into the base. There are no other identifying marks. I am familiar with the numbers for the applied decorations which appear with the black or green base stamp but this is a plain Cook & Serve yellow-glazed (mustardy) can with no hand-painting or transfer and no printed bottom stamp. It is definitely a Crown Lynn can.
The number is not in relief as on some items, definitely stamped into the clay while wet. The number is 28E. Could this be a shape number? I do not see the use of letters in other shapes in the gallery.

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patterns and numbers

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Tue 14 Sep - 13:51

I have listed below the patterns I have in C&S coffee cans by categories of my own making, then in alphabetical order (pattern number as well as I can pick out, other marks, suggested saucer). It appears I have 21 different designs. I welcome corrections or additions.
hand-painted (green base stamp, C&S, name, number, with named saucer) [6 different]:
allegro (456, black); blue tango (423, blue); fleurette (fleurette, fleurette) image (457, yellow); mogambo (428, black); mexico (429, red)
underglaze transfer (black base stamp: name, number C&S, C&S only on saucer) reproductions of h/p designs [3 different]:
blue tango (423, blue); image (457, yellow); mogambo (428, black)
underglaze transfer (black base stamp: name, number C&S, C&S only on saucer) [4 different]:
american style sapphire (828, blue); bermuda (870, blue or yellow); tacoma (871, blue or yellow); saraband (869, black or yellow)
underglaze transfer (black base stamp) [2 different]:
Athens (465, kelston potteries); Napoli (885, WB&Coy product, brown?)
underglaze transfer (unnamed patterns) [2 different]:
1 [alternating pink and black pine or fern] (red or black?); 2 [black, brown, pale green yellow u-shapes] (matching saucer)
plain colour [4 different]:
blue; pale green; beige yellow; mustard yellow


Front row (handpainted): fleurette, blue tango, image, mexico, mogambo, allegro
2nd row u-g/t: blue tango, image, mogambo
3rd row u-g/t: napoli, bermuda, saraband, tacoma, athens, sapphire
back row: unnamed design 1, unnamed design 2, blue, light green, beige yellow, mustard yellow
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24/6/12
There is an update of my plain-colored cans here (eight colours):
http://newzealandpottery.forumotion.net/t1122p75-cook-serve-coffee-cans-more-additions-cl-reflections-and-rorstrand-venezia#19876


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Re: Cook & Serve Coffee Cans: More ADDITIONS CL Reflections and Rorstrand Venezia

Post  mrnarna on Tue 14 Sep - 16:23

Hi Jeremy

Its nice to see another guy on this forum who's into Crown Lynn Cups.

I have amassed quite a collection up to now but have yet to come across a single Coffee Can.

I look forward to seeing your pics and sharing Some with you.

Welcome aboard, its nice to see an active newcomer, kinda reminds me of myself. Very Happy cheers

cheers :narna:

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Re: Cook & Serve Coffee Cans: More ADDITIONS CL Reflections and Rorstrand Venezia

Post  Ev on Tue 14 Sep - 17:50

Great stuff Jeremy!
Re your post about having a letter and then a number...
I have yet to see any tableware with a letter after a number.
On the pattern database there are many patterns that have a letter before the number -
eg Nile Q07.
Now back to your coffee can patterns -
I've just looked at the database to compare names and numbers.
Most match up, but there are a few that don't.
This is what the Database says:
Blue Tango 945
Fleurette 373
Sapphire 823
Could you check these against your pieces and confirm the numbers that you posted please.
Crown Lynn used the same number for several different patterns and the same pattern names with different numbers .... just to confuse someone attempting to make a database like me Wink
Would love to know the last number for Mogambo as I don't have that number on the database.....
I'm really enjoying your posts ... keep up the great work! Cheers Ev

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Re: Cook & Serve Coffee Cans: More ADDITIONS CL Reflections and Rorstrand Venezia

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Tue 14 Sep - 19:40

Ev,
It took a while to make out the impression on the yellow can as I was looking for a numeric not an alpha so it took time to see that it was definitely an "E". [what could it be???]

My Blue Tango cans are definitely 423, on both h/p and u-g/t (not 945). It is consistent with the numbering on the other h/p cans too.
My Fleurette cans have no number identified on the green base stamp, just Fleurette and c&s but it's handy to have the number. (I have not checked my other fleurette; I left it blank because there was none.)
My Sapphire cans may very well be 823: the ink on the black base stamps bas bled so it's almost impossible to tell 8 from 3.
I will look at a few more Mogambos: I have looked at about 10 cups some green stamp some black. Most look like 428 to me but one looks like 420. Wy wife agrees. My son says all 428. He's 9 so he knows best. Go with 428!


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men and china

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Tue 14 Sep - 19:43

mrnarna,
Thanks. I'm working on the photo.
Jeremy

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Saucers

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Wed 15 Sep - 10:35

I've added a picture of cans under the patterns and numbers heading above. This shows cans without saucers.
Should anyone feel the need I will take a photo of saucers, but the descriptions above should suffice until then.
Jeremy


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Re: Cook & Serve Coffee Cans: More ADDITIONS CL Reflections and Rorstrand Venezia

Post  mrnarna on Wed 15 Sep - 15:19

oh I want them all :narna:

that is a truly fantastic collection you have there Jeremy

It has urged me to get some of my own and to hunt them out when I'm away in a fortnight.

Thanx for the splendid insight and images.

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finding coffee cans

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Wed 15 Sep - 15:32

mrnarna,

When I started cans were around at 2nd hand shops markets etc but they are snapped up by trademe-ers these days.
Used to be you could get cans for 50c. Saucers harder to find.
I've been at it 15 years and have tons, some bought as individuals, some as sets.
I used to like to make up sets and give them to friends. Now I'm just storing them, so I had to dig them out for photos.
I wish you luck.
Once you have one, check the measurements and shape. And that they are vitreous china, kind of sparkly on the ring the cup sits on.
Smaller than other cups but bigger than a demitasse.
If you find any new patterns let me know.

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Post  Ev on Wed 15 Sep - 18:15

Asolutely Brilliant Jeremy!!
There are several pattern there that we don't have in the Tableware Gallery.
Maybe one day when you get the time you could post those patterns individually
and I could put them into the Gallery and credit you with the pics?
So pleased to get your input re coffee cans on here Very Happy

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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Wed 15 Sep - 18:32

Ev,

I take ages uploading photos so if you can list me which ones you want I'll give it a go.

My camera takes jpegs in tens of megs and I can only reduce them to 4-500k so you may have some work to do. When I post I note that the right side of the pic is cropped so I'll leave the images baggy there if you want.

Tell me a specification for your needs. It may pay for me to send them to you as raw as possible so you can crop and reduce the ks for yourself.

I can place any cup on its correct saucer if you want those. Generally of course they are plain colours, but the one I call unnamed design 2 has matching sources.

Anyway, its the pattern you want so cups alone may be more suitable.

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Post  Ev on Thu 16 Sep - 8:09

That would be awesome Jeremy Very Happy
My software is easy to use to reduce pics, so I am happy to do that.
The patterns of your cans that we don't have in the Crown Lynn Tableware Patterns Gallery are:
Allegro
Mogmabo
Mexico
Bermuda
Tacoma
Athens
Napoli
I think the cans alone will be fine, as you have listed what colour saucers go with each can.
Many thanks Ev.

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